November 4, 2004

Thoughts, Two Days Later

POST #    1389

So I've finally had time to sit down and digest some thoughts about that election thing on Tuesday. It makes you think. While traveling, most of the people you encounter outside of a few states voted for a different person with ideologies that are vastly different than yours. For me, if I travel out of the Northeast, I'm almost certainly in Bush country. Is it possible to never leave Kerry country? Obviously not, but I'm wary of wading into enemy territory.

And with results like yesterday, you start wondering, am I the one that's crazy? I honeslty know that I am not. I'm just not one for exclusionary policies, I am an inclusive person, and I think with Tuesday's vote, we just took one big step away from that. I like the environment, and I actually think government is a good thing. I also think that people that make more, should pay more. Do the majority of Americans really think that Bush and his policies were the right choice? Is safety that big an issue? Sure, but I wonder if the Bush voters will say "I'm sure glad I'm safe while sitting at home jobless." And while you're sitting at home, cursing the administration for your missing job, you better not speak too loud lest they start breaking down your door saying "Patriot Act". Oh, and I'm also happy that I'm 26. No more selective service for me. Not that I wouldn't serve when called, but I think there are some better causes than that little conflict we have going in Iraq.

It's not entirely the fault of Tuesday's majority. To be fair, I think a good deal of Bush supporters had the wool pulled over their eyes. If you keep talking about terror, terror, war, war, the people won't know any better. What ever happened to "it's the economy, stupid"? Sure, you can say it's a post-9/11 world, but the simple fact is that most people aren't better off now than they were four years ago?

I don't think Tuesday's results speak well for the Democratic Party and its candidates either. There was an excellent op-ed piece in yesterday's NY Times by Nicholas Kristof about how the Dems have abandoned the working man and woman. He points out that there has been a "yuppification" of the party as they target the suburban voter and abandon the vaules of the working-class. These are the backs that the Democratic Party are built on and the ones that turned to Bush. Kristof writes that Kerry supporters, "should be feeling wretched about the millions of farmers, factory workers and waitresses who ended up voting - utterly against their own interests - for Republican candidates." Hmm, it's approaching winter, can I get some of that wool?

Thankfully, there are some places where Democrats can take solace. In Illinois, the electorate overwhelmingly voted for Barack Obama, making him the only black member of the Senate. In St. Louis County, Charlie Dooley became, not only the first African American to be elected as the St. Louis County Executive, but also the first African American to be elected to a county-wide office. It's nice to know that there are some places that Democrats can still win.

Oh, and because this picture can't die, Corie proves that she has too much time on her hands and lightens the mood with this, the official logo of Maoland:

Posted by tien mao in Politics at 8:00 AM

 

 

"I'm just not one for exclusionary policies, I am an inclusive person...."

Inclusive my ass. The second that someone expresses an opinion different than your own, you either insult them, question their intelligence, or just tell them to leave your site. Its a vicious cycle, Tien. You say something, someone disagrees, you insult, you post about how inclusive you are, you say something else a few weeks later, someone disagrees, you insult.

I know, I know....I don't have to read the site. But I guess I just can't get enough of those damn face-stuffing shots.

Posted by: Joe at November 4, 2004 8:58 AM

actually, i meant in my political ideologies. joe, i'll be sure to check my thoughts at the door of the internet the next time i post on my site. and it's not like i'm stuffing the content of this site into your mouth like i stuff hot dogs into my mouth...but if you choose to come, you know what to expect.

so if i belittle those with other views, call them stupid or whatnot, i know they have their own opinions and i tend not to go onto their sites to express my outrage on their dollar. because, hey, i've got my own site.

Posted by: tien [TypeKey Profile Page] at November 4, 2004 9:27 AM

see tien...in naples, where the pizza at brandi is the best in the entire multi-dimensional brane, everybody is inclusive. i agree with joe, you should definitely be more wary about what kind of opinions and independent thoughts you express on your own blog. i mean, its not like its just your blog or anything.

Posted by: halo | veritech pilot at November 4, 2004 10:01 AM

actually, this is a different joe. there are way too manny joes in this world.

Posted by: tien [TypeKey Profile Page] at November 4, 2004 10:09 AM

hmm, apologies joe. maybe its time to bring back nicknames like they did in the 60s. joe #1 can be "rainman", joe #2 can be "nipples", and joe #3 can be "knuckles".

Posted by: halo | veritech pilot at November 4, 2004 10:20 AM

As long as we're name-dropping African American politicians and talking about places for democrats to find solace, I'd like to add my humble state, Wisconsin, to the list. We went blue (sadly, by a small margin) and we elected Wisconsin's first black congresswoman, Gwen Moore.

Posted by: matt at November 4, 2004 10:28 AM

i was really happy that wi went blue

Posted by: rachelle at November 4, 2004 11:10 AM

Does maoland have a good healthcare system? does everybody get paw scrafs upon arriving?

on the election thing, intresting statistic that came up, when voters where asked why they voted, they said to vote on "moral" issues rather than "political" ones, seems like gay marriage bans brought out the vote.how f*cking disppointing.

Posted by: T_G at November 4, 2004 11:14 AM

i was just going to ask those questions t.g. oh - and what't he employment rate in maoland?

Posted by: girlwonder at November 4, 2004 11:51 AM

i just want the scarf. and some good healthcare. like prescription coverage. yes, that would be very nice.

Posted by: corie at November 4, 2004 12:56 PM

Well Tien,

Unfortunately racism and "isms" are alive and well. The largest demographic of voters for Bush are white people who have been led to believe that abolishing slavery, illegal aliens from mexico, asian technology & economics, as well as other foreigners are the reasons for there current status.

They feel they would make more money, have a mansion, have maids, and a limo if it werent for those N---ers, Slant Eyes, and Wetbacks.

Most of them believe there was a time when they we all rich and prosperous. If you watch television or movies, its definitely the way things are depicted.

As long as Bush makes them feel they are included in the plans of his very small true constituency, and theres hope for them to join the ranks of the elite. The results will be the same.

Posted by: Philip at November 4, 2004 2:03 PM

I wasn't sure about this whole Maoland thing until I saw that picture, but now I'm definitely in. Shit, if you made a flyer with that picture saying "Eat Babies!" I'd probably drop by a crib or two on the way home tonight.

Posted by: FlatGreg at November 4, 2004 2:37 PM

Along the lines of what you were saying about Illinois and St. Louis County, Dallas Count (yes, the one in Texas) elected it's first woman sheriff, who also happens to be hispanic AND a lesbian.

Posted by: Chad at November 4, 2004 4:34 PM

Actually Tien, they're proposing to extend the selective service age limit from 18-25 to 18-35.

Be afraid, be very afraid.

Posted by: Gary at November 4, 2004 5:54 PM

d'oh! color us fucked. red or blue.

thoughts on maoland to come later.

Posted by: tien [TypeKey Profile Page] at November 4, 2004 5:56 PM

I think I have to switch back to first name, last initial to distinguish myself from angry joe 1 and angry joe 2.

Does Maoland have a slogan yet?

Posted by: joe s at November 4, 2004 7:27 PM

You're right about the wool. The Republicans turned out the evangelical vote by playing on people's prejudices. This entire election was won by turning out opposition to gay marriage. Considering all we've seen in the past few years - 3,000 innocent people incinerated, crushed, or falling to their deaths; our country's moral capital around the world wasted; a war for which the principle rationale has been proven false; a monumental loss of jobs; access to health care dwindling; and a complete assault on long-established environmental policies - it's inconceivable that that #1 issue that drove voters to the polls was "Moral Values." It's truly remarkable to think that for a huge number of Americans, the idea of two men or two women devoting their lives together poses a greater threat to America than, say, Osama bin Laden. It's something I'll never understand.

Posted by: John at November 4, 2004 8:14 PM

Tien, thanks for giving credit to Charlie!!

Posted by: Katie at November 4, 2004 10:46 PM

As a blue-stater from a ways away (Wisconsin), I understand your feelings, Tien. You're welcome in Madison, our inclusive little island. Perhaps we can do some free trade negotiation with Maoland, if you'll keep the cheese tariffs low.

Philip, interesting perspective on why some voters went the way they did.

Posted by: Paul at November 5, 2004 4:33 PM

i tell you paul, maoland will always welcome people who are blue due to tuesday's results. and you can't have pizza without cheese.

Posted by: tien [TypeKey Profile Page] at November 5, 2004 5:03 PM

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