March 30, 2004

Details Magazine: Gay or Asian?

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Uh...okay...Asian males tend to be skinny, and tend to be thinner, and some of us (present company excluded) tend to dress well. Does that mean that we're gay? Well, Details Magazine seems to think so. Not that there aren't gay Asian people, because there are, and not that they aren't entitled to wonder if there is a difference, but the way Details went about it is all wrong.

Classified as "anthropology", which must have any real anthropologists up in arms, Details goes all out in their Asian stereotypes. Apparently all Asians do the following: cruise for chicken, are into shrimp balls, uses chopsticks, drink tea, are samurais, have sashimi-smooth chests, and have soft and long fingers. If that's not fucked up enough, apparently these things make for someone being gay. It's really absurd the way Details went about it. While it may be difficult for non-Asians to understand, I'm sure if any magazine did a "Gangsta or Black", "Tribe Leader or Indian", or "Drug Trafficker or Latino", nobody would question whether it was wrong or not.

Yes, Asian people tend to have smooth skin, but I'm not sure how that makes us gay. And really, if you were to carry this "guide" around New York City, you would end up with maybe 25% of the male population being gay, with all the metrosexuals. I'm not sure why Details chose Asian people. Idiots.

Thanks for sending this along Jen.

More information:
- Halo's take on this crap
- Asian Media Watchdog
- Petition Online

Posted by tien mao in Culture at 3:39 PM



I have mixed feelings about this as well. Sure, this is a stereotype that can, at times fit. However, the whole smacks of Details thinking that Asians aren't American and that their readers aren't gay, and therefore it's just ass-stupid.

Posted by: Jen at March 30, 2004 3:48 PM

death to whitney mcnally!! or at the least a vicious beating using our infallible southern kung-pao chicken stance. unconquerable!

Posted by: halo | veritech pilot at March 30, 2004 4:06 PM

apparently korea still insists they have no homosexual citizens. meh.

Posted by: mingaling at March 30, 2004 4:46 PM

Wow. I was all ready to post a tempest-in-a-molehill comment here, but you know something? That's really offensive. Gross and icky.

I don't read Details. I stay away from popular magazines because I'm of the "trendy is usually shallow" school of thought. Didn't much like Spy when it was around, either, or any of the smarmy aren't-we-clever outings in the weeklies. But this is a spectacular low.

"Bonsai ass"...? They should be shot.

Posted by: Linus at March 30, 2004 5:37 PM

I wonder how funny Whitney McNally would be with my boot in his ass.

Posted by: Limegirl at March 30, 2004 5:44 PM

I find the article fairly offensive, and I'm someone who proudly responds to my nicknames "chink" and "The asian kid"

you have to admit, that guy is pretty cute though.

j/k. maybe. ok yeah.

Posted by: FlatGreg at March 30, 2004 5:56 PM

Chicken and shrimp balls? Maybe I'm gay after all.

Mags like Details, Stuff and Maxim write as though their readers are only the asshole post-frat caucasian set. Its insulting and an affront, but the sad part is that they really don't care if they offend you, since you're not a member of what they perceive to be their reader base.

Case in point, a few years back, Maxim published an article about "Albums you own that you're ashamed of" or something. It mentioned an album and then said what the album says about you. One album (I forget which) said, "If you own this, you secretly think you're black." And my natural reaction was, "But... I am black. What's this album say about me?"

So I wrote them, mentioning their momentary exclusionary remark and asking for an explanation - and they ignored it.

So... they suck.

Posted by: Maine at March 30, 2004 6:13 PM

Trust me on this one, the next one will be Latino or Gay. It's just a feeling. They will, of course, single out the "urban Latino" with all his gear, painstakingly trimmed, fanciful facial hair and "tropical fruit culo ripe for your plantain." Ay bendito. What a shame. Veten pa'l carrajo, Details.

Posted by: josť at March 31, 2004 9:34 AM

beyond everything, this is just a non-story. how did it even make it into a magazine? it's not funny, interesting, informative. i guess details has run out of bad out-of-touch stories with zero shelf life that it's resorting to whatever sticks to the page...

Posted by: richie rich at March 31, 2004 11:22 AM

Yeah, that is messed up.

There's a petition against that "article."

Petition Online/Details

Posted by: matt at March 31, 2004 12:11 PM

I vote that the guy is Asian. I mean look at the shape of his eyes and nose.

Posted by: nothalo at March 31, 2004 7:48 PM

i'm a gay chinese male.

as a gay asian male, the guy in the pic looks like a gay asian male.

but then i live in hk. not the US. hk homos don't really dress like this (although some do).

but if asian american guys are dressing like this, maybe i should move to the States!

Posted by: ben at April 1, 2004 2:22 AM

I got one for the next Details: Frat Boy or Date Rapist?

Posted by: Kitty at April 1, 2004 11:49 PM

Kitty, there's a difference?

Posted by: matt at April 2, 2004 11:31 AM

Um, I'm fairly positive that these little "Something or Something Else" articles in Details are meant to be humorous. Let's review the last half-dozen or so looking for some sign of serious social criticism:

March 2004: Gay or Jesus?
Yes, they must be serious here, since it's hard to tell the difference...

Jan/Feb 2004: Gay or Democratic Front-Runner?
Because we're all secretly thinking Howard Dean was gay? I think not...

Dec 2003: Gay or Magician?
Any question including the word magician cannot be taken seriously.

Nov 2003: Gay or Preppy?
This is a tough call, since (though it is a stereotype) most gay people I do know are preppy. Preppy people should definitely be careful...

Oct 2003: Gay or British?
I'm not sure, I thought we Americans dislike the French, not the British. Doesn't Tony Blair rock?

So, things I saw in these past features were mostly humor and nearly nothing that can be construed as severely derogatory. In general, it is just their idea of being clever while talking about useless fashion information that I ignore each month. Is it completely harmless, probably not, but is it on the level of a hate crime, hardly.

This month's, though I haven't even gotten around to reading the magazine yet, looks like an ad for Dior sunglasses, a Dolce & Cabbana suede jacket, white v-neck t-shirts, Louis Vitton bags, Evisu jeans, and metallic sneakers.

In conclusion, how can anyone take any article (though I use that term loosely since it is hardly an article when there are only 9 sentences involved) seriously when it advertises a $400 pair of jeans in it? Ludicrous I tell you...

Looking at these, for the most part, they look like a mini "Queer Eye for the _______ Guy," where you just replace the _______ with whatever little social group their commenting on each particular month. Who could think that the writer of the article sits in a deep, dark, dungeoness room wringing their hands cackling "This month I'll bash Asians!!!"? Really now...

Posted by: Joe at April 3, 2004 10:06 AM

I am asian, but not gay. But I will turn gay just to make whitney mcnally my biatch!

Posted by: turning homo at April 4, 2004 4:25 AM

is it funny to target gays and asians? you'd think this magazine would be just a bit bright enough to watch what their saying. i wonder what's happening to this whitey - i mean whitney - person as we speak.

it's america. the land of the F***ing melting pot - or the F***ing toss salad if you like. the place where everybody gets a chance to bash everybody and it's all worth it for the publicity - it's a propaganda. i could be wrong. i know i discriminate and have my own prejudices - who doesn't? eh, that's my two cent worth.

yeah. seriously prob didn't make any sense, but i'm an american. i'm not suppose to.

Posted by: csbennie at April 4, 2004 10:25 PM

one more thing *_*

when i was in 6th grade, i went to camp and the trail guides taught us a song - it's really short:

and other stuff that i forgot or i think that's it. i didn't realize how profound (haha) and true that was at the age of 11.

my point is, (btw, scat is crap-poo-poop-sh*t-doodoo-etc.) crap makes the world go around. magazines like that is just t-r-a-s-h.

think about it. if there wasn't a page like this, "ppl" wouldn't have a say in it claiming that it's discriminating (and it is). c'mon my first reaction was, "WTF! DESIGN is going down!"

i'm all for rights and freedom of speech, and all that good american benefits (that we have to buy). i don't agree with what DESIGN did; i think it's wrong and ignorant of what they did, but it all goes back to all talk (crap).

Posted by: csbennie at April 4, 2004 11:45 PM

"While it may be difficult for non-Asians to understand, I'm sure if any magazine did a "Gangsta or Black", "Tribe Leader or Indian", or "Drug Trafficker or Latino", nobody would question whether it was wrong or not."

WHile you may be right about this...what if it said "Italian American or Mafia" or "Irish American or ____" ? I guarantee everyone would have a good laugh if someone stereotyped Italian Americans or Irish Americans. THe fact is if you are Asian American and don't like this article you should be equally offended whenever a group is stereotyped in this way. But be honest, "Would you?"

Posted by: MB at April 5, 2004 7:02 PM

Get over it. And I thought it was something worth reading and fussing about. Yeah, it's a tad offensive, but some Asian guys are Metrosexuals-kind of gay-ish with the way they dress.
It's not like the magazines was only targeting towards Asian Males, weren't they targeting at others as well?

First it was abercrombie and fitch, not it's details magazine. Stop this madness.

I agree with what MB post, we all have our own fair share of stereotypes.

I bet 1/2 the Asians who are protesting and throwing a big riot about this haven't even read the article themselves. I didn't think it was so bad, not as bad as the Abercrombie & Fitch one at least.

B. Wang

Posted by: Belinda at April 5, 2004 7:58 PM

The movie "Better Luck Tomorrow" set a good precident for being unexplicitely Asian in the US. Give me a decade of non-stereotypical Asians in leading roles on TV and in the movies, and I'll find it in my heart to laugh at stupid stereotypes. Right now, all a dumb article will do is affirm the role of Asians as perpetual foreigners in a white/black America; as fair game, because they're not a real people with real culture or a real reason to be in this country. The mainstream perception of Asians is limited; it hasn't evolved enough for stuff like this to be completely irrelevant.

Posted by: mdc at April 6, 2004 8:59 AM

I offer my blog entry as a response to Detail Magazine's article. I think my approach works best and would apprecite if the idea was spread to other minority bloggers.

Posted by: ThreadDrifter100 at April 7, 2004 2:54 AM

This is really ridiculous.

I dunno, what people are not really getting as I read the comments is that this "Gay or Asian" thing is equally offensive to the LGBTQ community.

I mean first, on the one hand Details is stereotyping Asians, and then stereotyping gay men, and then saying that they're almost impossible to tell apart, which is pretty nauseating in itself, and then as if that isn't enough, they're saying you're either gay or Asian, because of course you can't be both.

So it's not really like being "Italian-American or Mafia" or "Latino/a or Illegal Immigrant", because one is definitely negative and if you think about it that title doesn't make sense ....

It would be more like: "Christian or Black" if you were talking political ideaology .... actually, you know what, I can't think of a good example because there just isn't one that's quite as insulting and yet mutually exclusive as what Details has done takes really inspired, twisted, talent.

Didn't you love that Ryan Seacrest "I wanna be a cool Americcaaaaaaan" section? (Because, Asians aren't really Americans, and all play a whiny second-rate poser to Real White Americans.)


Posted by: Roanna at April 7, 2004 5:56 AM

Do you think David Ng at the Village Voice has been reading Tien's blog? See his essay.

Posted by: joe s at April 7, 2004 9:27 AM

hey joe, thanks for the article. it was a good read. all i know is i better not be called "william" hung by some asshole on the street one day.

Posted by: tien at April 7, 2004 2:04 PM

McNally, W J
708 W 192nd St
New York, NY 10040-2446
(212) 544-8187

Double check to see if it him.

Fairchild (Details parent company)

New York (212) 630-4000 N/A 7 West 34th Street
New York, NY 10001

Posted by: angry at April 7, 2004 3:49 PM

(not 100& sure but worth a try.)
For all those who wish to send your own personal thank you note for the great article.

Posted by: MJS at April 7, 2004 4:01 PM

The "Cruises for Chicken" line comes off like a Rice Queen's (White men who go for Asian guys...only) dream. What's upsetting is that many of my once politically active Asian American friends/colleagues don't find this one pager offensive..(their repsonse: "whatever"). To them I say, suck my st8 dick!

Posted by: Lee at April 8, 2004 12:13 AM

"Can't we all just get along". R. King.

Posted by: MB at April 8, 2004 8:28 PM

the owner of a new whitney mcnally website thought this site might interest all of you.

Posted by: tien at April 9, 2004 1:01 AM

hi! just wanted to make sure you knew about actions going on about this issue. check out for a national student action week on details magazine!:-)

Posted by: steph at April 9, 2004 2:18 AM

As usual, my ever-uppity Asian-American community has a shit-fit over something that would otherwise go unnoticed. The pictorial wasn't that funny, but get over it already. If you've ever actually been to Asia, you see lots of guys that dress like that. Congratulations on giving a dying magazine tons of free publicity.

Posted by: The Taipei Kid at April 9, 2004 5:04 AM

Are most of you offended because you think the magazine promotes stereotypes, or because you still think "gay" is an insult?

Posted by: no at April 9, 2004 6:13 AM

And I don't see it as designed to reinforce evil stereotypes, I see it as playing with them. It's like when someone says that white people are stiff and can't dance, or that black people tap dance. Today people say these things ironically, to make fun of people who used to say them and mean them literally.

This is too obvious to be racist. Real racists have to be more subtle today.

It's interesting that most people call it racist but not homophobic. I think if it's one it must also be the other. If "gay" should be considered an insult, so should "Asian," "white," and "tall."

Posted by: No at April 9, 2004 6:29 AM

I live in a college town in Oregon of about 51,000 people and the non-white segment of the population here is overwhelmingly asian. I believe this is because of the college. (The next town over has 42,000 but does not have the same demographics.)

I think the article was more about androgyny than anything else. I see a shitload of androgynous asian guys every time I go out, in tripped-out cars.

I though the article was dumb... the food references made me want to scream. But that guy, if I saw him on the street, yeah, I'd guess he was gay, and if not, trying pretty god damn hard to look like it.

Also, rice queens scare me, because they are usually 40-somethings, fat and unattractive.

Also, isn't "Better Luck Tomorrow" about four or five asian guys in their 20s who get into drugs and crime?

Posted by: Ryan Thompson at April 9, 2004 2:18 PM

Hmmm, just noticed a problem over at ThreadDrifter's site. I already don't buy any of those products, so how can I boycott them? I'd never buy any of those products anyway. Oh well.

The Details article was stupid from a gay, Asian, anthropological, humorist, or thinking person's perspective, and Details would best apologize for poor editorial judgement.

And the beat goes on. In Pittsburgh, the latest flap is over an April Fool's edition of the Carnegie Mellon University, which contained a cartoon about beating up blacks (and used the n-word), as well as an article treating rape of women as humorous. Stupid, stupid, stupid, all in the name of "humor". Extensive coverage by the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette (daily city paper), which is at least a good sign that the flap was considered newsworthy.

If this is the best straight white males can come up with... (for the record, I'm a GWM)

Posted by: Charles at April 10, 2004 2:34 AM

Link me on your site. Spread the word.

Posted by: Whitney at April 10, 2004 6:04 PM

you jackass, you are linked. for that, i'm deleting your ink.

Posted by: tien at April 10, 2004 6:39 PM

I agree with the Taipei Kid. Save the fighting for real battles and real racism. Has anyone seen the documentary An Unlikely Hero? Now that is a story....look it up on the Internet.

Posted by: MB at April 11, 2004 10:03 AM

Wanna know what the most annoying this it? The media has time to do an Asian-Gay Anthropology illustration and yet at the same time our government is using depleted uranium in our weapons and this is not as important:,0,7042521.story?coll=ny-ap-regional-wire

Posted by: Threaddrifter100 at April 13, 2004 3:49 AM

OMG you freaking sterotype ,naive,red neck,retard and idiot people always try to pick on us. With out us you guys are nothing at all


Posted by: Chanis Tanta at April 13, 2004 4:55 AM

"chanis tanta" rearranged spells "hats cantina".

why was there a "z" in "asian"?

Posted by: halo | veritech pilot at April 13, 2004 5:28 PM

I have a new name for the reporter: Whitey McNazi.

What angers me personally is the dehumanizing, reductionistic text accompanying the picture. After all, whether one is gay and/or Asian, why should one be reduced to a set of "shaved balls" and the "plumpest eel"? Whitney McNally, the writer, goes even further, reducing human beings into sexual/cultural food commodity: (a) "delicate features refreshed by . . . a hot night of teabagging"; (b) "sashimi-smooth chest"; (c) "ladyboy fingers perfect for . . . gripping the kendo stick"; and (d) a "bonsai ass [that] requires delicate tending."

What happened to the gay/Asian person's heart and mind or his/her accomplishments, talents, dreams, hopes and loves? Mr./Ms. McNally must have forgotten that we (whether gay and/or Asian) have those things, too.

Posted by: Yong at April 13, 2004 5:53 PM

Details magazine and the rest of the media should just stick to the basics. They should just stick to demonizing the arabs/muslims. The good part about doing that is no one cares or can complain. When they start attacking other groups they get retaliated against. They just arent good at it, so if you are reading this post over at Details, here's my suggestion, just stick to arab/muslim bashing, thats what you media people are good at and your bosses over at Conde Nast will love you for it, so will Israel.

Posted by: Whites at April 13, 2004 7:37 PM

When a white guy dresses like this, it's called Metrosexual. When an Asian guy dresses like this, it's called gay. I guess that's just plain ol' hatin' for a group that's always been on the good end of the bell curve when it comes to style. Asians have been into the metrosexual thing before the term was invented. The mainstream's just finally caught up.

Posted by: Sorrowful_Rice at April 13, 2004 10:35 PM

dudes, all of you making a big deal out of this are STUPID!

and you ought to get some surgery done to remove that huge tree branch up your asses.


this is just a rip-off of some old "dyke or german lady" gag quiz (like that quiz that shows you 20 naked butts and lets you guess whether male or female, same concept).

you guys can't take a joke.

and dammit, what the fuck's wrong with being gay? so who's being a bigoted asshole now?

Posted by: Kickapoo Joy Juice at April 14, 2004 5:39 AM

and Sorrowful_Rice, when a white man dresses like that, my friends still call it gay. shiny sneakers? come on... that's not metrosexual, that's gayer than cher. get over it, baby.

Posted by: Kickapoo Joy Juice at April 14, 2004 6:31 AM

The outrage isn't about gay people and comparisons to Asians. Details pushed people over the edge, this has been a culmination of media jabs at Asians that built up to this point. The fact that an Asian has arrows pointing to different parts of his body and they are making fun of physical aspects of his body is more than enough to fuel an outrage.

Plus, we really can't do anything about Hollywood, we can boycott their movies, but what good is that. We are just plainly at their mercy, on the other hand Details magazine is doable. We CAN go after them and unfortunately for them, they are going to get the wrath of ASians and other groups due to the actions of their cohorts in the media(hollywood). I say nail Details and their advertisers. I now have links up at my blog for people to contact advertisers of Details.

Posted by: TheadDrifter100 at April 14, 2004 1:35 PM

I find it hilarious. I actually aim for that 'gay' look quite often, and it just happens to be the same as the 'Asian' look.

I first saw that article (or a close equivalent.. I'm not sure) in a magazine called Bay Area Asian Express (or something along those lines), an Asian-American mag.


Posted by: Nathan at April 18, 2004 4:05 PM

1 : a danger to Western civilization held to arise from expansion of the power and influence of eastern Asian peoples
2 : a threat to Western living standards from the influx of eastern Asian laborers willing to work for very low wages

White people hating as usual. Oh yeah.. now what if they wrote an article titled, "Criminal or Black?", "Gardener or Mexican?"

We Asians seriously need to stand up for ourselves. Fucking Crackers I swear to god.

Posted by: CaliAgents88 at April 18, 2004 10:27 PM

Details did not bargain for this barrage of negative reaction. This is cool. The Asian American community has finally got its act together and can respond to such tripe. But the Asian American community has still a long way to go.

Mainstream media would never feature such stereotypical crap against the Jewish or African American community. Those communities have over the years exercised their political muscle to stifle any such derogatory journalism.

The Asian American community lacks the media watchdogs these other communities have cultivated within their ranks.

Kim Singh
Executive Director
Asian American Public Policy institute
4546 El Camino Real, Suite B10-129
Los Altos, CA 94022
Ph: 650 346 5998

Posted by: Kim Singh at April 19, 2004 3:02 AM

Should HBO be next? Read my blog for "details", they slammed Asians in back to back episodes of their original programming....the Sopranos and Deadwood.

Posted by: ThreadDrifter100 at April 20, 2004 1:27 PM

I think as asians we should rather emphatise with Withney McNally for whom she is , rather than ostracise or vindicate her .

She tries to assert through tasteless humour that asian men and asians in general (as broad as the continent is)are in a stereotype category, that she and many others with her inadequacies see as the "type".

What makes people like whitney mcnally inadequate as human beings , as a particular race, as professionals is the lack of and absence of cultural understanding , tolerance and inheritance . These are individuals that are void of inherint culture , confused about their own history and have nothing subtle, traditional and spiritual that they can show and offer the world .

Her own insecurity is what we has asians have embelished for centuries that is our proud cultural identity , our ability to understand people like her and how ability to tolerate people like her , rather than hurt her with harsh words or deeds we should enlighten her , help her see beyond her ignorance and help rescue her from the vormit of bliss that she drowns in.

If whitney mcnally can stand to point out anything outstanding about herself she would probably stand to point out all the things that have made her particularly popular through her own popular fame , controvosy or what she may term outlandish and self-puritan freedom of speech , but the one thing that she is oblivious to is "who she is" sadly her lack of "who she is " that is her cultural identity is something that we as asians are imbibed with through birth , growth, and death .

We must pity people like Whitney rather than vindicate her because God has been a little more generous to us



Posted by: deven at May 2, 2004 12:23 AM

where would she evn get the fact that making fun of asians..would be good...!?..what a so hope she can read all the things that people are saying online about her.!!.her face already disgust me!.

Posted by: kelly at June 23, 2004 10:51 AM

I hate whitney mcnally!.
they should fire herfor all i care..disrespecting asian (any race)..isnt funny..i don't feel for her..cuaseeverything ..the people are saying about her is true..the fact that she is so..unnecessary!>

Posted by: hosuk at June 23, 2004 10:54 AM

hey, i strolled into your site via bitch ( yeah i remember reading about this from various list-servs from my uni. as an anthropology major--and asian, mind--i was pissed off twice. once because she is a completely clueless fuck when it came to the study of anthropology, and the second time when i read her racist/ignorant/heterosexist/homophobic remarks on the typification of asian males.

ok, so if asian males (esp. the imports) try to dress 'americaaaan' as she suggests, then we have to analyse why they dress as such. could it be that the commodification and mass production of an 'american' style has been so pushed forward in asian countries? i was over at a friend's the other day for his birthday, and i was looking through his magazines. one of the magazines had young men dressed in hip-hop style clothing, except that the pages go fthe other way. i realised that the magazine was japanese then, and yes, maybe us clothing companies are atfter all at fault for marketing such a ludicrous image that they expect everyone to conform to because it means more money for them.

i don't think we should be whitney mcnally apologists. yes we should feel bad for her, but that shouldn't stop us from being pissed off that this kind of bullshit is still being disseminated. being an apologist for such people means that we are contributing to the desensitisation of our society to such racism and typification, not to mention to heterosexism and homophobia. people like whiteney[sic] maybe do not realise the potential social consequences of her article.

indeed, how would americans react if details came up with an anthropology article such as: "evil or White?--whether your into hitler or french fries, killing babies or killing blacks and latinos, you are white. this is how you look, hollister boy, so you better believe it." it should be an interesting experiment. and no it won't be "doing the same thing they did to asians" because it's not an even exchange of power.

there goes my .02$


ps. know that mcnally isn't the only fashionably ignorant journalist out there. i read in an screaming monkeys: critiques of asian american images (which includes this details deal, i think) about another woman journalist who reviewed a filipino restaurant, and commented on how there was a broom next to the counters (implying that it's unsanitary), and ooh the purple taro cake. oh yeah, and i forgot to mention the screaming monkey in reference to the owner's young son. she might not think she was doing any harm, but that's because she's in the mindset that racism doesn't exist here anymore. the more we pass of these things as "oh that person didn't know", the less we will get along.

Posted by: trotsky! at July 31, 2004 12:36 AM

Being an asian american myself, I found this "article" to be extrememly offensive. Just because asians may look like that, does not mean we are gay. When is details going to do an article about redneck crackers?

Posted by: Joseph at November 4, 2004 5:34 PM

I'm asian too, and am willing to back that up with photo or whatever to anyone who emails me. But I have to be honest. I... think I hate my own race. No, let me correct that. I hate about 95% of asian americans I've met. Some are cool, and are among my best friends. I've got nothing against the people of my birth country either, it's just a different culture and I can understand that. But I hate about 95% of the asian american I've met.

One of the big ones is the all asian cliques. I hate those people. I understand if all they speak is their non-english language and want to be around people who they can actually communicate with, that's perfectly natural. But not those, especially american born asians, who only hang out and talk to other asians. What the hell's wrong with you? If you won't talk to someone else because of their race, you're an asshole, and racist, period. I will not talk to people like that.

Also, I do find most asian guys to be pretty damn gay. When I see a 115lb guy of any race, walking down campus reading a trendy fashion magazine, wearing girls jeans and a studded white leather belt, I don't like that guy. Sorry.

These things also make it much harder for the "other" asian guys like me to meet people. I'm not metro at all, sorry. I'll hang out with anybody, strangers, even those asian herdists if they're nice. I love white girls, I'm not skinny, a personal trainer, and terrible at math. But I have to work twice as hard to get the white girls, because I have to combat those stereotypes that asian herdists and skinny feminine ultra-metros reinforce. I have to approach them some 90% of the time. And rather than just being liked by girls, I have to meet and talk to them to convince them an asian guy is OK too. They don't picture themselves with an asian guy because of those impressions built by those asian herdists and feminine metrosexual asian boys. You have to work to get them to accept you. A lot of people just assume I won't talk to them because "asians will only stick with other asians". It sucks.

Posted by: Eric at August 23, 2006 12:33 AM

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